The Biomechanics Crash Course (with Eoin Everard)

Today I’m talking to Eoin Everard, an Irish physiotherapist and elite runner who has represented his country on the international athletics stage — he’s run the mile in under 4 minutes and is the 2-time Irish National Champion at 1500 meters. And if that’s not enough, he’s got a PhD in biomechanics. Eoin and I talk about his athletic background and how overcoming injury led him down a path to better understand sports performance for all athletes. Where does athletic movement start breaking down, and how do mobility restrictions factor in? And what can athletes to do start addressing those issues? While the information on this podcast isn’t meant as medical advice, I hope you get a lot out of how our guest breaks down biomechanics in a really digestible way.

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Eoin Everard on the BarBend Podcast

On this episode of The BarBend Podcast, host David Tao talks to Eoin Everard about:

  • Eoin’s athletic background and being driven by…spite? (3:00)
  • Do you brag about having a PhD? (10:20)
  • Why weightlifting and powerlifting should really swap names (14:00)
  • How do we get to correct movements? There are three elements of movement: mobility, stability, and motor control (15:00)
  • Breaking down the science of mobility (17:00)
  • What to do if mobility restricts your lifting (21:00)
  • The joint-by-joint approach to the body (24:00)

Relevant links and further reading:


Obviously, you can’t go for max lifts if your body doesn’t have that ability to tolerate that load, that anatomical adaptation. What the Pilates does or what I would look at is, how do we then get the correct movements? How do we move correctly?

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David TaoDavid Tao

Welcome to the “BarBend Podcast,” where we talk to the smartest coaches, athletes, and minds from around the world of strength. I’m your host, David Thomas Tao. This podcast is presented by


Today, I’m talking to Eoin Everard, an Irish physiotherapist and elite runner who has represented his country on the international athletic stage — he’s run the mile in under four minutes and is a two-time Irish National Champion at 1,500 meters. If that’s not enough, he’s got a PhD in biomechanics.


Eoin and I talk about his athletic background and how overcoming injury led him down a path to better understand sport performance for all athletes, including lifters. Where does athletic movement start breaking down and how do mobility restrictions factor in? What can athletes actually do to start addressing those issues?


While the information on this podcast isn’t meant as medical advice, I hope you get a lot out of how our guest breaks down biomechanics in a really digestible and accessible way.


Before we get to that, I do want to give a quick shout-out to today’s episode sponsor, Protect Wraps. Wrist protection is important for me personally, and as someone with wrist injuries in the past, I try and go the extra mile to protect them.


Do you wear a fitness tracker with lifting, then you’ve probably had to take it off for movements like maybe the bench press, kettlebell snatches, or other exercises. With Protect Wraps, they’re the first and only wrap for lifting cross-training kettlebell workouts that are designed to work around your watch while keeping both wrists and watch protected.


They just launched and you can check them out at Now let’s get on with the show.


Eoin, thanks so much for joining me today. We’ve had a lot of different types of people on the podcast recently, and you’re helping us maintain that variety. Hopefully, we can get some great lessons from you for people who are into athletics of all types. I got to ask, how are you doing today?


Really good, David. Thank you so much for having me on the podcast. From Tony Horton to Grammy Award winners, it’s…I don’t know, big shoes to fill here. I’m looking forward to.

David TaoDavid Tao

Speaking of Grammy’s, we had Kitt Wakeley on, and a week and a half later he won his first Grammy. You might be up for an Oscar here.

I haven’t been nominated yet, but I’m hoping someone in the Academy might be having a quick look. I haven’t released any music, but you never know.

David TaoDavid Tao

But you will get recognized nonetheless. Where are you joining us from today?

I’m in Ireland. Kilkenny in Ireland. It’s southeast, about an hour and a half South of Dublin.

David TaoDavid Tao

I’ve only been to Dublin. Had a fantastic experience. We’ll probably be going again. We’ll probably be going again later this year, so you’ll have to…maybe we’ll stick on after we are done recording. You can give me some recommendations.


David TaoDavid Tao

It’s an easy trip from New York. It’s like four-and-a-half hour flights. It’s not bad.

Yeah, honestly, about six.

David TaoDavid Tao

Well, six on the way, depending. On the way there, it’s shorter. On the way back, it’s…

It’s crazy how big America is because I always find it crazy that to go from Ireland to New York is like, less time than from New York to California.

David TaoDavid Tao

I would much rather go to Ireland from New York than to California from New York, just because Ireland is fun and noble for me. Whereas California, I have my opinions. You know what? I’m not here to piss anyone off.

There’s a bit of that. Yeah, there is that, especially New York and California. I like the weather. I was only in San Diego one time, but I really like the weather there, I must say.

David TaoDavid Tao

Yeah, East Coasters and West Coasters in the US. We don’t always see eye to eye, but you know what? Neither here nor there. Let’s talk about you. I don’t have a better way to say this, give me your athletic background. The brief athletic history.

 I’ve been running doing athletics for nearly 20 years now. I’m the current over-35 European 3K champion. I’ve broken the form in a mile. I’ve ran 1358 for 5K, ran 2950 for 10K, and then 757 for 3K. I have a nice range for PBS. Then I ran for Ireland, the European Senior Championships, and I’ve ran Ireland about 10 times between 800 meters, kind of the sprint events to 10,000 meters.

David TaoDavid Tao

Was there a moment early on in your athletics career and we will get to…By the way, for those who are listening, and they are like, “Wait a minute, I’m a powerlifter. Why is this relevant to me?” We will talk about that, I promise.


Focusing on you, Eoin. Was there a moment in your earlier stages of athletics career where you realize that you had the ability to excel call it above the norm?

I was always fast, but the main motivation was my brother. He luckily, he trained really hard, but he got an Irish international cap when he was 14. I was older than him, I was about 15 at that stage, 16, and he would just rub it in my face a lot, just like banter as we say here or having the crack. Yeah.


He would literally come down in his Irish tracksuit for breakfast, six months later, just randomly eat, and then not even mention anything. I was like, “What are you doing?” He’s like, “Oh, yeah, I’ll just go up and change.” He’d always be like, “I’m the only international in this house.”


I got back into it properly at 16, and I don’t know why, but I was like, “If Killian can do it…” I feel like if you see someone do something, you’re like, “Well, if he can do it, I can do it.” It took me a few years more. It took me until about 19 to win my first international.


Then by that stage, I had the bug of it. I was showing quite good promise as an underage running star. I’ve just stayed with it ever since.

David TaoDavid Tao

I love when the motivation behind extraordinary athletic achievement is spite because…

It’s so funny, yeah. I get on with him so well. We’re best friends, but we were so competitive under it, and even then we got on unbelievably well. If it was anything like any competitive endeavor, it was just ridiculous.

David TaoDavid Tao

Is he still active in the running world today?


No, no, no. To cut a long story short, he basically…There’s provincial championships and then he went to a national championships, but because you’re at a very young age, they just trained like a demon for two months.


He improved from his provincial championship to the nationals. He did way better. He just had an unbelievable run. Qualified for Ireland. Then he plays rugby and stuff.


He never really was into running then, but he just had the international just to rub in our faces because my sister also went to the Olympics. Killian would always say he was the first international in the house, so it’s funny.

David TaoDavid Tao

What is your sister? Is she also a runner?

Yeah. 800 meters. She went to the Olympics. She went to Rio.

David TaoDavid Tao

What you’re saying is maybe don’t play a pickup game of soccer with your family or against your family. Make sure they’re on your team, is what you’re saying?


Eoin: Yeah. We used to even playing tennis and stuff, you’d have to get…the adults would have to come out and supervise because we made too many kids our own age cry just because we shout at. Even if they gave him a call, he’d be…you just give him a call or something. It’s an embarrassing thing to look back at.


It’s embarrassing, but it also makes you smile a little bit. I can tell.

 Yeah, it’s funny. I like it. I like it as well. It’s just reminiscing. It’s good.


David TaoDavid Tao

I like how these things even well into adulthood, we still remember we’re like, “Remember that day on the playground where I really showed…”

You’re just like, “Oh, God, what was in the headspace there?” So funny.

David TaoDavid Tao

I really showed all the other kids what was what. [laughs] I really…

Yeah, I laid down the law. [laughs]

David TaoDavid Tao

Well, you are a very accomplished runner to this day and still a very active runner to this day, but something…That might be reason enough for us to have a chat, but the real reason you’re on this podcast is because you’re accomplished in helping other people maintain, achieve, and support athletic performance.


I would love to talk about how that part of your career…What was the genesis to that part of your career, and how did that evolve in tandem with your own athletic pursuits?

Yes. Obviously, because you’re into athletics, which is a hard word to say for an Irish guy with the T-H.

David TaoDavid Tao

[laughs] We can figure out what to say. Running for that. Sports, sports.

I was always into sports and activity and running. I became a physical therapist. It’s called a chartered physiotherapist here.


Then just very interested in, obviously, all aspects. Like strength training and Pilates as Pilates instructor. In my late 20s, I started getting a few injuries. I really started doubling down on some of the things that I didn’t like or I didn’t think were relevant in Pilates and started developing a sports Pilates.


Also if I give someone a rehabilitation program to do, they come back and they might be doing it incorrectly. I always was like in my head it got to be great if they had a piece of equipment that could essentially give people the feedback that I’m seeing.


I came up with the back of whereabouts and I’m currently working on those. That was how it developed. I was a physio, really got into the movement side of things. I have a PhD in biomechanics. Then from that, started developing sports pilates programs and from that wanted to make sure people are doing it correctly, so developed the BackAware Belt.


David TaoDavid Tao

You talked about how your brother casually wore his Irish uniform, the Ireland uniform to breakfast. You could just maybe hang your PhD diploma around your neck at the next family gathering or something.

 I’m way more modest than him. You know what? He has just a certain charm to get away with it. I just don’t have that charm. It’s funny. Wear my little hat.

David TaoDavid Tao

To American audiences, you do, because anything is charming to us, relatively.

The Irish accent does get you out of trouble [laughs] in different countries.

David TaoDavid Tao

Next time you come to the US we’re going to hang out, because I’m pretty sure we could get away with most things, with you. We could get speeding tickets, we could make ruckus in public, and you could charm whichever police officer you needed to with that accent.

 I have friends who are on scholarship for running in America, and we are actually saying that. We have words here…in different cultures, they’ll have words that are not words where they are. Having the crack or banter are exactly like that. On an edge.


If perceived wrongly it could be insulting or get yourself in trouble. But when you say, “Oh, I’m only having banter, or I’m only having the crack,” it diffuses a situation. It’s funny, we were just saying that in America, they don’t have an equivalent term to that.


As you said, I think you get away with things because the fact that we have two terms for that over in Ireland and the UK, I think it shows that you can probably get away with a little bit more, or you’ve been practicing getting away with it, that you needed to come up with terms for that.

David TaoDavid Tao

I don’t want to get too much off-topic, but that’s one reason I love visiting Dublin, because I am the one who always gets in trouble for giving my friends…we call it giving grief here, but it’s not really the same concept here.

Yeah, do you know what I mean?

David TaoDavid Tao

Yeah. I’m always the one who pushes things too far and everyone’s like, “Just get off my back.” For me, it’s affection. Expresses affection, right?

Because that’s perfect. If you do that, you’d be like, “Man, I’m only having banter. I’m only having their banter, or I’m having banter. Or look, it’s just a bit of crack.” And they’d be like, Yeah. Right. That way.

David TaoDavid Tao

Back to the topic at hand, because we could talk about this all day. No, we could banter all day about this. Relevant to, for example, someone who is active in the strength community, because your experience, you’ve worked with hundreds and hundreds of folks who are not just runners.


What are some of the lessons? Let’s dive into some of the lessons that you think are relevant to the listeners for this podcast, which tends to be a lot of very passionate strength athletes, aspirational strength athletes, people who like lifting weight.

The main thing I think, there’s two things I think would really benefit. The first is, I call it…well, Al Vermeil, he was the strength conditioning coach for Chicago Bulls and then, I can’t remember what American football team, but they won. He is the only coach that’s won the NBA and the NFL, and he is a hierarchy of development, which would be essentially like good movement patterns at the base.


Then you’re going to develop max strength. Then obviously power can be broken into strength, speed exercises, which are much more your powerlifting type base or your Olympic lifts, and then speed strength.

David TaoDavid Tao

I would just clarify. It’s probably more the Olympic lifts than the power lifts. Powerlifting…

No, sorry. Olympic lifts. Power lifts are going to be in the max strength side.

David TaoDavid Tao

Powerlifting and weightlifting should really swap names. They should just…


They should, really, because it’s obviously your deadlift, your squat, and your bench. It’s very max lift. It’s funny it is called powerlifting. Sorry, we’ll talk power, which will be the Olympic lifts or heavy sleds. Then you go speed, strength, which will be lighter sleds, lighter jumps or loads, then into plyometrics, which isn’t as important for a powerlifter, and then into speed. Developing that strength effectively is important that it’s on…


Oh, sorry, there’s one layer between that. It goes movement, then it goes work capacity, which is essentially the ability to tolerate load. Obviously, you can’t go for max lifts if your body doesn’t have that ability to tolerate that load, that anatomical adaptation. What the pilates does, or what I would look at, is how do we then get the correct movements?


How do we move correctly? There’s essentially three elements that are really, really important for people to do. It’s either a mobility issue, it’s either a stability, or an activation issue, or it’s a motor control. It’s a technique element. There’s then ways that you can try to work on each of these.


Can sometimes be anatomical, which you can’t change. If someone’s femurs are longer, it’s just going to be much harder for them to squat deep. If you look at all the lead powerlifters or even the Olympic lifters, they all have the certain dimensions, but we can be as good as we can by correcting the rest.


If we looked at, say the pilates, how do we improve that movement base? There’s only three things that we need to improve. There’s the mobility, there’s stability, or there’s motor control. Now, mobility can be three different elements. It can either tightness in the muscles or tendon, the muscular tendon junctions.


It’s essentially like the SAR mirror, the muscle fibers are shortened. How you improve that will be like your static stretching. The key ones I would mention here is just make sure you never have that muscles shaking. If you’re doing like a static stretch, the muscles shaking…


There’s these things called muscle spindles in them. If you stretch too quickly and too fast, or too quickly and too far, you activate the muscle spindles, that shaking is basically the muscle we want to contract back. You need to first go have no stretch on the muscle. Move to where you feel the stretch for the first time. Hold there for 10 seconds to allow the muscle to relax. Take a breath in, breathe out, and move a little bit further into this stretch. The second way you can improve shortened muscles is what we call active isolated stretching.


I know your audience, Dave, David, are quite technical, so we can go quite technical here. Active, isolated stretching works on this thing called reciprocal inhibition. What that means is, if I was doing a bicep curl, as the bicep is contracting there’s a neurological signal sent to a triceps to relax off. Obviously, it just makes it easier. You wouldn’t want the quads, opposite muscles, contracting, which just makes the movement so much harder.


We can use that to our advantage when we’re stretching. The way you would do that is, we generally do this lying down. Imagine if you’re doing a hamstring stretch, for example. What you would do is, you would bring your own leg up, activating the quads.


Or, if we are in a 90/90, lying on the ground, and we’re going to kick the leg out to stretch the hamstring. Then we can have a rope and just give it a little bit of an extra stretch. Kick out for two seconds, pull it a little bit further for one second, then drop it back down a little bit.


Then kick out again for one, two, give it a little bit of an extra push with the rope, into a bit more of a stretch, drop back down. We’ll do that 15 times, in two to three seconds, which is going to be a 30 to 45-second stretch. We can do that for any muscle. If it’s for our calves, that we want to try and improve ankle mobility, where we just lie on the ground, we pull the toes towards the shins.


Then we have a little rope or a band and we just pull the toes towards our shin and a little bit more, as a little bit of resistance but the key is that we are constantly pulling our own toes like that the muscles on the front of the foot are contracting, and with reciprocal inhibition that causes a relaxation then of the opposite muscle.


I said we need to do that 15 times. The last way to improve the muscle length is a thing called P and F. I don’t know why it’s called P and F. It’s basically like activately stretch or isometric stretching and how that works is, if you contract a muscle, immediately following a contraction, there’s a relaxation.


If we get into a stretch, someone holds it and we push up for like, six seconds, at 50 percent contraction, then we relax, we breathe out, the person moves the leg into a deeper position to stretch again, not overly stretching, and he’s shaking will be way too hard just to be feel a stretch.


They hold it there between 7 and 15 seconds. If when you contract and you relax, you get this big increase of range of motion, hold the stretch for only like seven. If there’s not much of a increase in the range of motion, you just hold the stretch longer, that contract relax is not working really.


That is the first element of mobility.

David TaoDavid Tao

Those are the three main ways that we can improve mobility when it comes to muscle length.


Muscle length.

David TaoDavid Tao

OK, got it.

That’s your classic traditional ways. It’s either static stretching, active isolate stretching, which might…because you’re activating the muscle, you’re getting that little bit of movement, or PNF stretching.

David TaoDavid Tao

Got it.

Now, the key thing here is that you probably won’t know. Say if you’re having issues in your squat or issues in your deadlift, squat your ankles. Try one of these and then do the squat again and see how it feels or say if your deadlift. You’re not really getting into that hinge position.


Try PNF on your hamstring and then check it again. Or try the active isolated stretching line in your back, kicking out your leg.


David TaoDavid Tao

Everyone’s going to have a different response to each of these modes of stretch.

Yeah, exactly. When I have different responses and it mightn’t be a muscle length issue. The second reason can be trigger points, which are essentially knots in the muscle. Now, if you can imagine, if you have a knot…if you put a knot in a band and you stretch the band, the bit that’s going to get stretched, is a bit that was normal.


It’s going to be overstretched and the knot is going to remain. In that case, you want to foam roll and release. Look, some of these are just theories but it’s that neurological release or it’s the releasing of that trigger point. That’s the theory behind this.


You’re releasing off the trigger points which gives you a window then to move more freely. Generally, if you’re going to try stretching or foam rolling, we would always recommend do the foam rolling first because if they are essentially trigger points or knots in the muscle, we want to release them, and then we move.


Then again, if someone’s new to it, just remember if it causes referred pain or shooting pain or starts twitching, that’s perfectly natural. That’s probably going to give you a really big release.

David TaoDavid Tao

That’s what the foam rolling or the trigger point.


…the stretching. If we shake or we feel that pain during stretching, that’s bad.

That’s bad. You stretched too far. With the foam rolling or the stretch…Sometimes I’ve had people who’ve had hamstring strains, not hamstring strains like hamstring pain or tight around the hips and we’ll get into hockey ball, lacrosse ball into the side of the glute knead, into the piriformis in the middle of their bum.


We have a hockey ball here, but I always bring the lacrosse ball to bed. I sit on it. I lie on it every night, foot turned out slightly in the middle of my bone, hitting that piriformis just releasing that off. That’s the second reason. Again, all these things are just like test, retest.


You have a quick squat or a quick del if maybe you try foam roll around the hips or hockey ball around the hips or use a hockey ball into the…or a lacrosse ball into the hamstring, into the glutes. To be fair, like anyone who’s powerlifting, generally, they’re going to have a lot denser muscle. The foam roller is probably not going to do too much. I would recommend more of a lacrosse ball there.


Even for a calves, especially for hamstrings, because it can be hard to get that. You’re better off sitting on a hard surface with a hockey ball. There’s one other technique can do with that is where do you feel this the pain.


Hold on that spot and then move the muscle. Imagine you have it on your calf, hold on that area, and then rotate the ankle. That will essentially allow the…it’s called specific soft tissue mobilization or over in America, ART, active release techniques.


It’s pin and stretch, essentially. It’s pinning the muscle and then moving that muscle to try to get it all going. OK, same if you were say sitting, you might have the hockey ball on your…or lacrosse ball underneath your hamstring to wear a sore and then just kick out the leg or back in the leg just to try get that tissue moving again under attention.


Lastly, it could be a joint mobility issue. The muscle might be fine. The reason you might be moving great is that the ankle joint is restricted. The hip is restricted. Generally, there’s a thing called a joint-by-joint approach to the body. Every joint has basically either is predominantly mobile or predominantly stable.


Your arch should be predominantly stable. That’s why the fault we hear about lot is like flat arches. Your ankle should be primarily mobile. That’s where if people have to turn out their feet or they can’t really move through the ankle, that’s the issue. Knees should be predominantly stable, should be a hinge joint, should just flex and extend.


We don’t want to see that valgus, that buckling in of the knee. Hip is a ball and socket joint. It should be mobile. Lower back should be stable. That’s why we wanted course ability. Upper back should be mobile. We should be able to extend our position. Shoulder blade should be stable. Shoulder joint should be mobile.


Every second joint. When we’re targeting joints, you’ll be 90 to 95 percent correct, if you target ankle mobility, hip mobility, like thoracic spine, upper back mobility, shoulder mobility. Again, how you do that is at the ankle. Let me know if this is too technical because it is on just a podcast but…


David TaoDavid Tao

Go for it. Let’s just focus on the ankle as one potential example here.

OK. The key thing with any joint is you’ve got to move it through the range 30 times.

David TaoDavid Tao

0 times? Is that what the clinical research suggests?

Yeah It’s all based on Mulligan’s mobilizations, that’s like, Brian Mulligan was the main guy. Physio or physical therapy, it’s movement of it 30 times is the clinical recommendations. The key thing, say if you’re doing your ankle, and what I can do is I can do a video up quickly and we’ll just put in the show notes people want so we can have a couple of videos of this.

David TaoDavid Tao

You can just shoot to me after, yeah.

Yeah. I’ll actually just make it. I’ll record one. Say if we take a dowel or a broom handle, put that on the outside of your small toe, and then you bring your knee to the outside of that broom handler. Now there’s two techniques you need.


You never come the inside of that because you’ll have a tendency to buckle at your knee or flatten your arch. If you bring your knee to the outside of that, you’ll just…if people do it, they’ll see that the arch naturally holds itself in a better position and the knee will stay in that straight line.


You’re isolating the ankle joint then, and we just come to the range, let’s called a grade three. If you come to where you feel it won’t move, push into that and come back off and just repeat that 30 times. You could do two by 15. The other more aggressive way is you’d hold the heel down, go to where you feel it can’t move, and then this pulls through that zone and that’s called like grade four.


They’re the two things we have and we just want to make sure that we hit it 30 times. Other things you can do at the ankle is just draw on the numbers 1 to 10, back down from 10 to 0, back up to 1 to 10, heel drops, heel raises. Again, it’s not the strength here, it’s like we’re just trying to move the joint more than we do used to have.


They’re the three reasons. I said if it’s a mobility issue that’s causing poor movement, it’s either tightness in the muscle that’s done with PNF static stretching or active isolate stretching. It’s either trigger point in the muscle, which you’ll get with lacrosse ball or a foam roller, or it’s either joint mobility and you want it move to the barrier 30 times.


That’s the key thing to keep hitting that barrier back to what’s called the anatomical range. Then it’ll be a stability issue, which is an activation thing, or it will be a motor control, which we can just talk about now if you want.

David TaoDavid Tao

Well, we’re actually with that, Eoin, we’re coming up toward the end of our time here.

Oh God, I went so quick.

David TaoDavid Tao

I know. It just goes in a flash, but what I really like is you’ve laid out those three main potential issues or hindrances on mobility and describe them. When it comes to motor control, I’m thinking that could be a different podcast. We’re going to have you on again.


My last question for you — I appreciate you laying that out — is, do you have difficulty convincing strength athletes that a running specialist and competitive runner knows what he’s talking about even with your PhD when it comes to their movement patterns?

Movement patterns? No, because I think if you respect the sport the way…I never would tell a powerlifter how to change their technique. My thing as well is like, what running technique. I’ll try give you the building blocks so that when you are trying to coach the correct technique or that super arch in the back.


Obviously outside of powerlifting, if I’m working with people for sport, I never recommend that technique for the press-up. The super arch is just trying to…You’re trying to reduce the range of motions so you don’t have to go down as far to finish off the bench press.


I think if you stay within your zone, I’m not here telling people, “Here’s the technique you need for your squat. Here’s the technique for your deadlift. Here’s the best way to increase your bench press.” You’ve had loads of other experts who are great at that. What I look at is movement capabilities and why someone might not be able to move.


Yeah, I’d love to talk about the activation and the motor control some other time. The motor control are two things, external assistance, so you practice it and there’s a thing called RNT if you want to look that up that. There are two ways to fix a technique problem.

David TaoDavid Tao

Amazing. Eoin, I really appreciate. We’re going to have to have you on again. You set yourself up beautifully for a part one and a part two, maybe part one.

Thank you.

David TaoDavid Tao

You make my job easy as far as sourcing podcast guests. I appreciate it. Where are the best places for people to follow along with you and your work, even beyond this recording?

If they want, I have a book, it’s called “How to Get to Line in the Best Shape as Possible.” It’s just some articles I’ve written for local newspapers here in Ireland. You can get that at Everard Pilates. That’s E-V-E-R-A-R-D, Pilates, P-I-L-A-T-E-S, .com/book.

David TaoDavid Tao

Amazing. Thanks so much for joining us today. I appreciate your time. Looking forward to doing it again.

Thanks, Dave. Thanks so much.