Are You Strong Enough for a Racing Pit Crew? (w/ Christmas Abbott)

Today we’re talking to Christmas Abbott, a woman with a fitness resume about a mile long. She’s been a team CrossFit Games competitor, weightlifter, influencer, reality TV star, and also NASCAR’s first-ever female pit crew member. I’ve known Christmas for over seven years, but it’s been a long time since we’ve had a proper catchup. In this episode of the BarBend podcast, we talk about her evolution from hyper-competitive athlete to producing fitness content for the masses, the physical rigors of working with a pit crew, and badass moms from movies Christmas wants to emulate.

Related: Christmas Abbott on breaking through training purgatory.

Christmas Abbott Podcast

On this episode of The BarBend Podcast, host David Thomas Tao talks to Christmas Abbott about:

  • Being a “fitness maniac” (3:10)
  • “We’re going to go play NASCAR” — what does that mean? (05:30)
  • The intensity of changing four full tires, as a team, in under 12 seconds (09:00)
  • Why changing a NASCAR tire is like attempting a heavy snatch (12:45)
  • Competing on “Big Brother” (15:30)
  • Owning and operating her gym (20:20)
  • The most badass moms in media? (29:30)

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Transcription

Now, you’ve been hanging out for about 20, 30 minutes and you have to go perform perfectly at the highest level of awareness possible. Basically, let me put a little bit more in terms if you were going to have a perfect form of snatch with your one-rep max on demand.

David TaoDavid Tao

Welcome to the “BarBend Podcast,” where we talk to the smartest athletes, coaches, and minds from around the world of strength. I’m your host, David Thomas Tao, and this podcast is presented by barbend.com.

 

Today, I’m talking to Christmas Abbott, a woman with a fitness resume about a mile long. She’s been a team CrossFit Games competitor, weightlifter influencer, reality TV star, and also NASCAR’s first-ever female pit crew member. I’ve known Christmas for over seven years, but it’s been a long time since we’ve had a proper catch-up.

 

In this episode of the “BarBend Podcast,” we talk about her evolution from hypercompetitive athlete to producing fitness content for the masses. The physical rigors of working with a pit crew, and badass moms for movies Christmas wants to emulate.

 

Before we get too far into that, I do want to give a quick shout out to today’s episode sponsor, Tempo, the artificial intelligence-powered home gym. Tempo combines expert training from its coaches at its pioneering AI technology to provide members with hundreds of classes, many among them focusing on strength and hypertrophy with individualized feedback and progress tracking.

 

Learn more about Tempo, including their expanding line of home strength and fitness tracking at tempo.fit.

 

Christmas, thanks for joining me today. It’s been a while since we caught up and it’s…Usually, a fun time although sometimes we’ve definitely gotten ourselves in hot water about certain things we’ve said around other people maybe that’s just me, and you’ve just been like, “No, no, I’m not with this guy.”

I don’t know I’m curious. Now we get to dig into the thing.

David TaoDavid Tao

Well have to talk about that I off the recording that there are a few where I’ve gotten into hot water and you’ve had to defend me and I’ve been very thankful. I’m glad you don’t remember those. I’m glad those don’t come to the top of mine. That’s perfect. Absolutely perfect.

I defend my friends [laughs] no matter what. I’m glad that I came to your rescue.

David TaoDavid Tao

A very loyal person. OK. We’re going to go right into it. You and I have known each other for a while. A lot has changed in the fitness industry since 2014. Let’s call it a massive amount of change, right? That was when you were still competing in CrossFit, you were competing in weightlifting. At that time…

I was a maniac.

David TaoDavid Tao

…You were a maniac?

I still am, it’s just a little different.

David TaoDavid Tao

How were you a maniac back then? When you think of that stage in your life, you say you were a maniac, why is that?

Am I allowed to cuss?

David TaoDavid Tao

Yeah. PG-13.

 I was [inaudible 3:12] unstoppable. I loved and I still do now that’s why I say I’m still a maniac now. I loved what I did, everything, even the hard days. Even the terrible stuff, the hours of training, I loved every minute of it. I loved the process, which is a problem for a lot of the current people getting into the fitness industry. I loved the process. I loved the work.

 

You might be stronger, or faster than me, or more talented, but I’m not going to give up, and that’s how I was then. I still am this way. It’s just I have transferred. I’m still with fitness, but not competitively, which is a different situation for my soul. [laughs]

David TaoDavid Tao

What are your fondest memories of the high level intensity training? Was it when you’re training for CrossFit or when you were training for weightlifting? Where in that spectrum do you think you were at your most maniacal? Let’s put it that way.

I’ll have to tell you that’s like asking who your favorite child is.

David TaoDavid Tao

I mean, I’ll ask that. I’ve asked that before on this podcast.

I’m a hybrid athlete. Even when I was weightlifting, I would still do a little bit of CrossFit for my accessory work. When I was doing CrossFit, I would still purely just do the lifts. I have to say that it was probably, man, maybe it was 2014. Maybe that was before NASCAR. It was right before NASCAR because I was just on fire, and I loved it.

 

I’m the kind of athlete that really enjoys getting to the pain cave and thriving in it, but I’m also the athlete that as soon as I get on that floor and I have that extra pressure for performance, I exceed anything that I’ve ever done before.

David TaoDavid Tao

Well, let’s talk about NASCAR because I think that a lot of people might not know that about you. You’re a competitive CrossFitter. You’re a competitive weightlifter. You mentioned NASCAR as this stage in your athletic development. You did some pretty interesting things. How did that come about? What did you do? What did you learn from it?

This is pretty much how my entire life has been, with all the cool things that I’ve ever done, is I just said yes when I didn’t know what I was saying yes to. [laughs]

David TaoDavid Tao

Simply as someone knocked on your door like, “Yes or no? Answer the question and then I’ll tell you what it is.”

Pretty much. My friend called me. They’re like, “Hey, we’re going to go play NASCAR. Literally said, “Play NASCAR.” I’m thinking, play? For sure. This was when I was working every day. I only got one day off a month. This is no shit. I was running my gym. I was working for CrossFit HQ, traveling every weekend.

 

Also, by the way, I was training for the Games. I said, “Yeah. I’ll come.” We hit lug nuts. I actually was really pissed off when I got there because I was like, “You want me to change your tire? You want me to be you’re freaking mechanic? We’re not driving these things?”

 

When I was trying to figure out how to get out of it and then we went and did it, I was like, “Holy cow! This is amazing.” I beat the boys, so they recruited me. I literally just said yes to going to a day of NASCAR, not knowing any details. Once I figured out what we’re doing, didn’t want to do it.

 

I tried it, fell in love with it, made history as the first female in the Sprint Cup. That’s the highest level. It’s like going to the Games in NASCAR. I have to credit the yes, saying yes, and jumping in without a safety net.

David TaoDavid Tao

You weren’t driving the cars, but you were in the pit crew. What does that involve? I grew up in Kentucky, but I hate to admit I’m not super familiar with NASCAR, which is like sacrilege where I’m from if you don’t follow it. I’m going to get in trouble here.

 

Take us through what you were actually doing. I think a lot of people underestimate the athleticism and the speed it takes.

They basically recruit pro athletes that are getting ready to retire. Usually, you only have about three-years’ fans, particularly in football. I’m sorry. There’s so much noise in the background.

David TaoDavid Tao

No. You sound fine. Keep going.

I was a tire changer. Everybody works together. It’s a synchronized dance of intense precision and consistency. It’s literally CrossFit has…It’s even more precise than CrossFit. It’s the hardest training that I’ve ever done in my life.

 

When a car comes in and we’re going to do all tires change, there’s a front tire changer, there’s a back tire changer. I was front. Then, there’s a couple other people. There’s a carrier, a jack man, and gasman.

 

I run out. As the car’s coming in, I literally run in front of a car that’s going 60 miles an hour. As it is stopping, I’m getting down on my knees and watching where the spoke for the tire is. As soon as it stops, I hit five lug nuts off. They pop off like popcorn. You get hit in the face. I almost busted my teeth off. I got a black eye. I busted my eyebrow.

David TaoDavid Tao

 Are you wearing goggles to keep…?

Yeah, but those things still hurt. They still get on you. I had a mouthpiece, thank God, because I would have knocked my tooth out. You hit five lug nuts off. You pull the tire. As you’re pulling the tire, the tire carrier is putting one on. Those spokes are about the size of your finger. It’s so incredibly precise.

 

I come back in, hit five lug nuts. I mean, put them on. Then, we run around and do the same thing to the other side. While I’m doing this, the back tire changer is doing their job. Now, from start to finish, the entire run, we would run about 12 seconds for four full tires. I got two tires.

 

If you think about it, that’s incredible. Five lug nuts for your hand speed, I had a 1.2-second hand speed, that’s average for NASCAR. That’s minimum that you need to go to sprint level. They measure you down to the one-tenth of a second. If you mess up, they tell you.

 

If you don’t hit it hard enough, it doesn’t lock on the tire, so they have to come back in and then you basically cost them the race. If you hit it too hard, then you have a hard time getting it off when they come back around. It’s not just hitting it on, it’s consistency of how hard you hit, how smooth you are. It’s incredible. It’s a very nerdy-driven sport. [laughs]

David TaoDavid Tao

It almost seems like a carnival game, like you’re doing a carnival game for accuracy and for time. How much does the drill weigh? It almost looks like a rifle or a gun that you’re using. How much does that weigh?

It’s about 10 to 12 pounds.

David TaoDavid Tao

Maneuvering it that quickly, you’ve got to be completely braced, I assume.

Think about a sewing machine. Your arms are like a sewing machine. Then, you have this. It’s a little heavy. How you hold, you have to be exactly lined up with the spoke because if you have it tilted at all, it’s not going to go all the way. You’ll probably hit the lug nut off. We glue lug nuts onto our helmet in case we do pop one off and we have to put one back on.

David TaoDavid Tao

We’ll get back to the conversation in just a moment. First, a quick shout out to our episode sponsor, Tempo.

 

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It’s like a spare? It’s like keeping a spare pencil behind your ear, but it’s a lug nut?

Always have a few, but you never want to use them.

David TaoDavid Tao

That’s a really interesting image. It’s a ridiculous thing to think about. You’re in all this protective gear. You have this, looks like a gun to drive in these lug nuts, screw these lug nuts. Then, you have lug nuts attached to your head. It’s like a weird cosplay from a futuristic video game.

By the way, the fire suit that we wear, we have to have these very specific fire-retardant suits. They’re so hot. It’s so hot. Let me tell you how this works during a race. That’s just one tire change during practice or the race. Think about as we’re watching the car go around, very boring, you’re literally just standing there waiting to do your job.

 

You do your job, maybe four to six times during the race depending on how many times. During the two-hour course, you have to be ready to go. When they say, “Coming in,” you literally have about 10 seconds, 15 seconds to get in line, if it’s a unscheduled lap. If they know they’re going to come in next time, you have about 45 seconds, maybe a minute.

 

Now, you’ve been hanging out for about 20, 30 minutes. You have to go perform perfectly at the highest level of awareness possible. Basically, let me put a little bit more in terms, if you were going to have a perfect form of snatch with your one rep max on demand. You don’t get to get in your head and do all the stuff.

 

You’re like, “OK,” you do it, you sit down, and you walk away. They analyze it. They tell you where you messed up or didn’t mess up. By the way, you just got to hang out and then wait. Maybe on a beck and call, if it was 15 minutes or 30 minutes, I can be like, “Snatch now.” It has to be perfect in your one-rep max every single time.

David TaoDavid Tao

Thank you for putting it in terms of strength athletes can understand. That’s absolutely perfect. It also sounds horrifying. The risk of feeling like you’re going to pull a muscle or something, because you’re cold, you’re standing around. Did you do anything to stay warm between attempts, so to speak, I guess between tire changes?

Well, I mean you’re sweating in that fire suit.

David TaoDavid Tao

Oh, fair enough.

There’s very few cool…Then, you’re like, “Whatever.” You just go for it and hope for the best.

David TaoDavid Tao

The pit crew, you’re not fiddling on your phone between, during the race. You’re not just sitting around.

You have to be plugged in. You’re watching the race. You’re watching for the car. You’re listening to the driver. You’re also looking at your work because after every stop, we go and look. We analyze. What it does is how hard you pushed your pressure on the spokes, how hard that lug nut is on or how it’s not.

 

If there’s a few loose ones, they have to come back in. They know exactly how tight those tires are before it leaves.

David TaoDavid Tao

It’s like instant video feedback on a snatch during a competition?

Yes.

David TaoDavid Tao

I love the analogy.

Critical.

David TaoDavid Tao

After your NASCAR days, how did your career evolve beyond that? I know you did a lot of broadcasting. We actually worked together on some broadcasting and some media stuff. This is 2015, 2016, I think. How did your career evolve after that?

 I’ve done some weird things.

David TaoDavid Tao

You’re on reality TV. I’m talking about your fitness career specifically.

That was in ’17. From ’15 to ’17, I basically toured. I had a national best-selling book. That was freaking crazy. I did a lot of touring with that. I went back to competing in CrossFit and weightlifting. I just love it. I can’t get rid of it. I was traveling so much, literally every weekend, every week, doing the tour.

 

I was doing nutrition seminars, my book tour, going and hosting, being an emcee, or hosting where I could. Then, I got on reality TV, Big Brother, in 2017. That’s when I broke my foot.

David TaoDavid Tao

Wait, you broke your foot? I didn’t watch the whole season. You broke your foot on the show?

Yeah. I broke my foot on day 13.

David TaoDavid Tao

What were you doing?

Well, I got a piggyback ride.

David TaoDavid Tao

Oh, nothing good. Everyone has a piggyback ride gone awry story. It doesn’t matter if you’re a kid or adult.

I was like, “What the heck?” I’m, literally, years of training heavyweights. I’ve never had any injury from training. I’m running out in front of super fast cars going 60 miles an hour. They’re closer than arm’s length to me when they stop because I have to be able to hit the tire. You’re about a foot away from them sliding in. No problem.

 

Jumped out of planes, no problem. Gone to Iraq with contracting, no problem. I get a freaking piggyback ride from a rodeo clown, 10 broken bones.

David TaoDavid Tao

The lesson is, keep your head on a swivel. You never know who’s going to do it. Apparently, it was a rodeo clown.

On that one, you should just say no.

David TaoDavid Tao

The one instant you regret saying yes.

It changed the trajectory of my career.

David TaoDavid Tao

How so?

Honestly, it’s weird. Have you ever seen “Collateral Beauty”?

David TaoDavid Tao

No. Is that a movie?

You guys should all watch it. It’s a little depressing, a little bit, but there’s this amazing ending. The message is incredible.

 

This was a game changer, a career-ending break. I still have pain with it every day, but I’ve been taking this new product. I’m in love with it.

 

I basically had to stop. I was in such a frenzy. I was working. I was traveling 20 to 25 days out of the month. I wasn’t nurturing me. The break made me stop. I went into a bit of depression afterwards. Then, I got pregnant right away. I had a really hard pregnancy, physically and emotionally. I hadn’t been in a good place.

 

Recently, I’ve come out of that, and it’s been a challenge, but I love where I am now more than ever. Because I have more balance of my life, and I am more familiar, and more in touch with who I am. By the way, I am who I say I am, now.

 

Before I was, but not nearly to the level that I should have been, or wanted to be. It’s because I kept neglecting my emotional mental health. Breaking my foot forced me into a growth that I didn’t want to do.

David TaoDavid Tao

Was it because you were forced to be vulnerable, you think?

 I don’t know. It forced me to stop. When you stop, and you’re a thinker like me, I had to evaluate a lot. I was like, “Wait a minute. I’m I now…” When I started this, basically, I was like, “I want to share to the world all of the things that I love.”

 

Overtime, and you see this happen a lot, instead of sharing who exactly I am, I started sharing things that I thought that you would like. It went from me being authentically myself, to me appeasing this idea of what society had started to think about me because of whatever reasons.

 

That’s a really terrible place to be. I know a lot of influencers do that, and they find themselves, whether months or years, they don’t…I was depressed. I didn’t love what I was doing.

 

Now I love what I’m doing again. I’m in such a great space now that I haven’t been in four-plus years, including the time that I was traveling and doing a lot of stuff like that. I wasn’t nurturing my authentic self which has got me to be who I am. It’s crazy. [laughs]

David TaoDavid Tao

We’ll talk a little bit about another role that I know that you put a lot of your heart and energy into, and that was as a gym owner for a long time.

 

Oh, folks, you’re not seeing the video. I said that and Christmas made a face like this is where the real conversation starts.

That’s where the real headache starts.

David TaoDavid Tao

That’s where the real headache starts. Talk a little bit about that because you owned and operated a gym for a long time. I don’t believe you currently own and operate a gym. Am I correct?

 

I think that a lot of people think that if you’re a fitness influencer and a competitive athlete, you open a gym, it’s a nice feather in your cap, but it’s a hard business. Talk a little about that and the process you have to go through to leave that phase of your business career.

I definitely don’t recommend…if you love coaching, just find a gym that lets you coach. Do that. But if you love business…a lot of the times we see that these coaches don’t know how to run a business and that’s why they suffer.

 

Coaching is the pyramid, the top where you just see it, but the iceberg, the rest of it is business, and it’s hard. You have to have a team that you really trust, and people turn on you. Their loyalty is shallow and quickly forgotten.

 

I was very fortunate that when I built my team, there was a year-and-a-half process to become a coach and it’s because I just wanted to make sure that you wanted it. I was loyal to my coaches, and I treated them well. They got paid the highest amount.

 

Eventually, I brought in a business partner to help me run the operations because I was traveling so much. We had different ideas of where I wanted the business to go. I was fortunate enough that I had an operating agreement that outlined everything. People don’t do that. They’re like, “OK, cool. Let’s do it. We’re going to love each other.”

 

Not going to happen. There’s a whirlwind of paper cuts. It’s like death by a thousand paper cuts. There’s no one big significant thing. Even if one of your main coaches leave, you can survive, which I have that happen to me. All the little bitty things that will never stop. There will always be little fires to put out.

 

I wanted to be…at this time when I decided to sell, I had owned the business for 10 years and I knew that that part of my life is good. I was like, “OK, my business partner was to buy it. He loves it. He wants to live here all the time. Let him do it.”

 

We negotiated it and I sold it year-and-a-half ago. They’re doing great. They’re doing really well through COVID. I mean, Invoke has a strong name. Brandon had been running the business for a couple years.

 

It was an easy transition for the community. I love that community. I built it, but I also was ready to move on to the next thing, which was being able to be home in the evenings with my son, put him to bed, and not have him dragging along in the gym all day long, because when your coach can’t show up, you have to show up.

 

Now, I just focused on my workouts with my app, which I do those workouts at home. I get to be a cool mom that takes her kids to the park. We do all kinds of crazy stuff, and I get to focus. I have a lot more time to be me and within my life. I get to really enjoy life now. [laughs]

David TaoDavid Tao

I was going to ask if you still workout at the gym, but it sounds you’re on the home training-train. Do you have a home gym?

No. I actually relocated. I just moved to Florida from North Carolina, but I was working out there still. I would still go there. It’s just with my app. I film at home. I don’t have a home gym. It’s all body weight stuff. I’m actually doing my first weighted program in two weeks.

 

What I love is introducing people to fitness, health, and wellness. My workouts are very accommodating to people just getting into this journey. I don’t want to deal with athletes. We are high maintenance, you know that?

David TaoDavid Tao

I’m aware. I’m a little bit aware.

We are very high maintenance. I just love seeing people find that they’re so much more capable than they ever thought.

David TaoDavid Tao

Do you miss barbell training though? I got to ask.

Yes.

David TaoDavid Tao

I know you wake up some days and you’re like, “Oh, I kind of want to put some weight overhead.”

 

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I do. I’ve recently, first time in two years, I’ve been picking up a barbell, but I’m not nearly as strong as I used to be, but I’m not that weak. [laughs]

David TaoDavid Tao

 

I didn’t say anything. I didn’t…

I have needs that caught on me of wanting to pick up a barbell. I want to do a weightlifting competition again, and then I know that the way that I work is I go at it. I go all in and I just don’t want to take that time away from my son, you know?

 

I’ve got into a good acceptance of playing with the barbell. I think that eventually, I will try and do another competition, weightlifting competition. Just right now, I just love every second with him as much as possible.

David TaoDavid Tao

Well, he’s going to get to the age as kids do when they want a little bit more space and he’s like, “Mom, give me…I need my time. I want to go hang out with my friends,” and then you know what, you’re going to have a lot more time to train.

I’m honestly thinking he’s already there. He’s always pushing me away. I’m like, “Cuddle with me. Come cuddle with me.” He’s like, “Huh.” I’m like, “You were supposed to be a baby.” He’s two-and-a-half. “You’re still supposed to be a baby. Let me swaddle you.”

David TaoDavid Tao

Well, you can force that. It’s like the preteen years, where it’s, “Give me space. I have friends, I’m going to go hang out with them.” I don’t know what the kids are going to be in to 10 years from now. I’m already too old to know.

Is this weird? I think about Loyal going to high school and obviously, he’s going to be exposed to people knowing who he is and who I am. I think about that. That comes across my mind as a mom, but I just still want to be the hot mom even though I’m an older mom. Is that weird for me to want?

David TaoDavid Tao

That’s a loaded question. I don’t know. There’s no way I’ll answer that without…No, I’m kidding. I’m kidding. No. I mean, everyone, wants it. Everyone wants to be the cool dad, the hot mom, whatever.

Yeah. I know I’m still going to be cool. I still want to be. [laughs]

David TaoDavid Tao

OK. You know, the thing I love is your humility. That’s the best. That’s the best part.

It’s definitely held me back.

David TaoDavid Tao

Well, OK.

I got to know that you’re the bad ass bitch there.

David TaoDavid Tao

I grew up in a small town in the South. I know you have some experience with that. You worry about your son going to high school and people know who you are. Where I grew up and what I’m used to is, everyone knows everyone’s business. When you grow up in a small town, everyone knows. There is no secret.

 

Everything’s gossip. Everyone knows everyone’s business. I don’t know if that’s for…

 …social media.

David TaoDavid Tao

That adds a whole other layer to it. I don’t know if that makes it worse or better.

 

They know your “business.” They’re getting little glimpses of either your worse or your best moment.

David TaoDavid Tao

The thing you need to do to establish dominance at a parent-teacher association meeting is you have to make sure that the tattoo of a pistol on your leg is on complete display.

It’s very high up on my…I’m walking in with a slit up to my hip.

David TaoDavid Tao

It’s just a suggestion. It’s just a suggestion.

That’ll secure me being in the Hot Mom too, right?

David TaoDavid Tao

Drop a few stories about your time in contract defense, at a NASCAR pit crew, and then flash them tattoos. It’s not uncommon to see moms with tattoos these days. It’s much more common.

I don’t know, but I think women cover all the time. I’m like, “When did all these women get so many tattoos?” Then, I actually literally forget that I have so many. I love it, bad bitches getting tattoos. Here’s the thing, those bad bitches, I’m not talking about mean, I’m talking about they are doing their best.

David TaoDavid Tao

If you take up weightlifting again, that also helps. If you’re an active competitor in weightlifting, that also helps you try and become the baddest mom in the room. It’s not going to be easy. There are a lot of bad moms out there. Baddest, not bad moms, you know what I mean.

 

Also, a funny movie, very relatable. I do love weightlifting. I love picking up a barbell. I would love to maybe slowly implement it. It’s something that I’ve been flirting with for a little while, real before it was a hard no, now that I know that I’m softening up to the idea that it will happen on a long enough timeline.

 

Right now, he’s two and a half. I know the dedication that it takes. I’m trying to find a balance in between, which is good for me.

David TaoDavid Tao

 

The last thing I’ll say about how you model yourself as a badass mom is just you are the person closest to Sarah Connor from the “Terminator” movies that I personally know.

[laughs] Yes! That is the best compliment ever. She’s the baddest.

David TaoDavid Tao

Linda Hamilton set the bar sky high. No body double, just like, “Yup. I’m going to get jacked. I’m going to be doing pull-ups in the movie.” Use that as your guiding light, except maybe be a little less paranoid. Then, you’re good to go.

I did go on Big Brother twice, so the paranoia is always going to be there. [laughs] Honestly, my son is super crazy strong. He has a strength of a five-year-old. He doesn’t even realize it. I don’t even know what to do with him. I want to be able to provide a lot of opportunities for him to try new things and figure out what he likes and doesn’t like.

 

I’m not into him doing football because it’s such a contact sport. This kid is going to be an animal. Those genetics get passed down. Between me and his father, we’re both CrossFit competitors, we’re both entrepreneurs, we’re both very headstrong, he’s going to be quite a human to watch.

David TaoDavid Tao

We’re excited to see the youth weightlifting Pan American championships in 10 years or 11 years. Keep your eye out.

 

Christmas, thank you so much for joining me. Where’s the best place for people to follow along with you, what you’re doing, your goal to be the closest thing to Sarah Connor that exists in real life, all that jazz?

Oh, man. I have christmasfitness.com if you’re interested in joining me with my workouts. I have a ton of different programs on there. It’s like Netflix with just Christmas Abbott, cooking, mindset, and nutrition. Otherwise, Instagram, christmasabbott.

 

This other company that I’m in love with right now and will be for a long time is Q Sciences, so christmasabbott.myqsciences.com.

David TaoDavid Tao

Cool. Thanks so much for joining us. We’ll make sure to have all that in the show notes.